In the book these kanji are taught using stories. These kanji are learned the fastest if you read the book as well. Warning: in many cases the key meanings in . For example, Heisig’s RTK is a method. The + Kanji are ordered in a specific order. You only build new Kanji from primitives from the ones. Study the Japanese characters with James Heisig’s “Remembering the Kanji” method, and review with kanji flashcards.
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Login Register Login Username: Basically, what other ways are there of learning Kanji? I’m talking about fully-fleshed out methods, from start to finish. I see a reasonable number of people on the Internet criticizing RTK. As a Japanese language learner, I don’t care if their arguments are justified or not, I care about whether those who criticize RTK can actually offer any alternatives or solutions.
Based on what I’ve read in the past: That’s why I did RTK: Because there does not appear to heeisig any alternative ways of learning Kanji. Or at least, not rememberibg ones.
James W. Heisig – Remembering the Kanji 1
For example, Heisig’s RTK is a method. You only build new Kanji from primitives from the ones you already know. In the short term, you remember the Kanji using stories. In the long term, you forget the story and simply ueisig the Kanji itself.
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In order to aid recall, flash cards like Anki is used. The only other alternative I know of is the traditional Japanese way. As a Japanese Japanese language student living in Japan, you learn a couple of hundred Kanji in the first year, a couple of hundred the second year, etc The Kanji learnt is ordered by commonness. After 5 years, I don’t even think they have reached yet.
James W. Heisig – Remembering the Kan – Memrise
On the other hand, they already truly mastered the ones they already know know all the readings etc. The disadvantage of this method is that we are not Japanese, we don’t live in Japan, and we’re not Japanese children living in Japan learning Japanese for the first time native language.
Any foreigner who attempts to learn Kanji this way would probably give up.
Instead of reading textbooks, you surround yourself in Japanese stuff. When you read a book and you come across Kanji you don’t know IE. And you do this every time.
I hesitate to call this a method. The advantage is that you see Kanji in its natural habitat and in context. The disadvantage is that looking up Kanji you don’t know all of them gets very annoying, very fast. The other disadvantage is that you’re simply looking up the Kanji, not actually studying them closely the same way you would do with RTK. Advertising Register to hide. This is a pretty ridiculous statement — Heisig wrote his book in ; are you suggesting that “any foreigner” before gave up?
Let me guess, you didn’t read the introduction? Probably not beforebut now that RTK exists, maybe they would give up when they know there’s a better alternative. That’s what the thread is about, alternatives. Kanji Kentei – although it’s just a supplement to the traditional Japanese school methods. And keep in mind that plenty of foreign learners of Japanese, Chinese, and Korean have mastered Chinese characters by simply doing what the kids in those countries do In fact, the phonetic markers are unhelpful or useless for a large portion: While I always tell people that the method works for me and always suggest to people that they look into it because it might work for them also – what evidence do you have that RTK is the “better” method?
That’s why I appreciate this method, the order.
But I’m not surprised Warakawa added some nasty words When I tried learning Kanji through grades the kanji lacked meaning, sometimes, because primitives weren’t really introduced first.
But I guess a teacher would teach that? Basically I am learning Kanji, hanzi and pinyin at the same time. Can you please point out what “nasty” words I used? Why are you being such a sheep can fellow Heisig’s way as if it is God’s way and any criticism of his approach is branded “nasty”?
Kanken is the ehisig obvious alternative method to me. It’s all laid out in a path from total beginner to kanji god. Other methods could be just plowing heiig kanji reference books. Some of them actually do a good remfmbering of explaining radicals. And even most RTK alumni end up plowing through the same books to learn readings and vocab.
Shouldn’t you actually finish RTK, or whatever the method is that you came up with, before you deem it a better method? This is the traditional method right? I’m sure this is how people did it before RTK and Anki existed.
Then I discovered Anki oanji RTK and did RTK1 but without using stories for some reason, but I imagine I’d have been just as well served by sticking with learning to my original method but switching the notebook out for Anki. Sure learning them in a logical order and using mnemonics helps but I think the naive method above is not as hard as people make it out to be. Kids take a long time because they’re well, kids. Elementary school isn’t exactly intense. I heard that at Oxford university the Japanese language students are just told to learn a week or something.
Smile at kanji, they will smile at you. Any successful strategy of learning written forms of kanji boils down to this: Funny how people quarrel about insignificant trifles! As to kanji and components. Heisig is only one of remembernig possible methods. Mr Heisig calls it ‘turkey’, I’d rather call remembreing the Japanese way. When in Rome i. Japando as the Romans do! It is a matter of preference in a sense.
Language is a system of knaji subsystems: At the beginning, listening comprehension and pronunciation are the most important, and, more often than not, completely ignored. We are governed by our emotions – love and soul shattering awe are among them. I remembered the kanji instantly. Sorry for my survival English.
Peace to you all, Japanese lovers. I had a look at: Since it’s for Japanese people, I’m guessing that they learn Kanji from most common e. If that is so, then the advantage of this method for non-Japanese foreigners is that people can learn the most common and useful Kanji first and can use it immediately.
The other disadvantage of course is that the most complex Kanji will be covered first complex in terms of number of radicals, not in terms of meaning which makes it harder to remember. Of course, you need to memorize the radicals before you can memorize the complex Kanji, which makes RTK’s “building block” method much preferable. Anyway, this thread is about alternatives so I guess that is an alternative. So is rote memorization the only Kanji-learning alternative to RTK?
Japanese students can take all the time they want, learning only a couple of hundred of Kanji a year, and living in Japan helps. What kind of method if any do they use? Does that confirm my suspicions that there are only two ways of learning Kanji? For rememberng stories, I know it is what Kanji Damage specializes in, but isn’t that based off RTK anyway breaking Kanji into radicals? From there on out it makes sense to just create Anki decks with the stuff you need to learn. It’s much more efficient.
I doubt they’re told to use any specific method, more “Go away and learn this! Maybe I misheard though. Then this thread would be helpful because kamji have to learn how to learn Kanji before you can learn Kanji. Oh okay, so basically Henshall’s method of learning a Kanji by learning kaanji history? I’ve heard negative opinions about learning Kanji this way though etymology. Dear qwertyytrewq, I can assure you that my way of learning languages kanji included has nothing to do with rote memorization.
Heisig did NOT invent anything. He took the Chinese or Japanese radicals, added some more, called them ‘primitives’ and used some stories in English to remember the kanji. Nothing more, nothing less.
I can assure you that my way of learning languages kanji included has nothing to do with rote memorization. Is it etymology as dizmox mentioned?
What about the systematic order as shown in his books? I’m pretty sure that’s his own creation. Subscribe to this thread View a Printable Version.